Ben Carson and Barack Obama both referred to slaves as immigrants

Ben Carson and Barack Obama both referred to slaves as immigrants

New HUD secretary Dr. Ben Carson received sharp criticism on March 6 for referring to slaves as “immigrants,” but then-President Obama made the same comparison in a 2015 speech.

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  1. CORI sayre says:

    it was forced immigration but it was still immigration. So what’s the problem

  2. Jim Elrod says:

    I support what he said, but not what he said. What he said was wrong, but what he said was right even though they said the same thing. I don’t know why he said what he said, but he should have said what he said, then everything would have been fine.

  3. ronsum says:

    No comparison. Carson was making it sound like the African migrants were on the lower decks of a passenger ship.

  4. Steve Abdelkoui says:

    Obama said the same thing but no outrage from the African American community.

  5. gabor says:

    Unbelievable. When will (((they))) finally stop trying? Trump has to destroy the left. There is no other way forward.

  6. Michael Baker says:

    Fuck Democrats, this gets me really pissed.

  7. Federico Forlani says:

    Carson: “That’s what America is about, a land of dreams and opportunity. There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less. But they too had a dream that one day their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great-grandsons, great-granddaughters might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land.”

    Obama: “Life in America was not always easy. Was not always easy for new immigrants. Surely it wasn’t easy for those of african heritage who had not come here voluntarily, and yet, in their own way, were immigrants themselves. There was discrimination, and hardship, and poverty. But like you they they no doubt found inspiration in all those who had come before them, and they were able to master the faith that here in America they might build a better life.”

    I think the key word that makes the difference is Obama’s “in their own way”. Implicitly: which way? They were forced to come here. It makes clear to the listeners that there is a difference and at the same time it’s a way to say that slaves faced the problems that immigrants face. That’s why he talks about immigrants AND slaves, establishing the difference very clearly while still talking about similarities.

    Instead, Carson just uses the word immigrants instead of slaves, making no distinctions. Also, slaves don’t “work”, they are someone’s property. If you just straight up call slaves “immigrants that work hard” and you expect no one to react and to point you the difference, you’re not a smart man.

    To me, this whole controversy is silly, we already knew Carson isn’t the smartest man in the world and we have far more important stuff to worry about, but I understand why his comment is criticized while Obama’s one wasn’t.

  8. lunarminx says:

    Obama said it wasn’t easy for new immigrants and it certainly wasn’t
    easy for those in African heritage that didn’t come here voluntarily. A huge difference.

  9. RazorFoxie says:

    The double standard from the media is staggering. Absolutely staggering.

  10. Terrence Williams says:

    No he didn’t say Black slaves were immigrants, “he’d in their own way, were “like” immigrants,

  11. Joy Dani says:

    uhh , i don’t get the outrage. People should return to school and learn vocabulary. An immigrant is someone who leaves his (her) land to emigrate to another land “whether” this is voluntary or not. So , yes slaves were immigrants. Forced immigrants but still .
    American liberals like too much paying attention to details ( picking on words to stir controversy) to derail from the core of a subject. Usually people use these kind of tactics when they have no argument so they try sliding the subject to mask their own demise. This is pathetic and unnerving at best.

  12. Joel Young says:

    President Obama was able to refer to the immigration status of slaves without discounting the fact that their immigration was not a voluntary one. It was very clearly elucidated in his statement the status of their immigration concerning the voluntary nature of it. That was not the case with Dr. Carson’s statement.
     
    Dr. Carson gave the implication in his statement that while in the slave ship African slaves were capable of entertaining the positive possibilities of going to a new land. Considering the situation, that is an ENTIRELY ludicrous idea.

     The difference between a slave and an illegal/legal immigrant is the difference between a (willing)sexual partner and a rape victim. That is what Obama understood and made SURE to make clear in his statement.

  13. john smith says:

    theyy mad cause vault 7

  14. khaled haq says:

    “An intelligent heart acquires knowledge, and the ear of the wise seeks knowledge” (PROVERBS 18:15)

    “Life in America was not always easy, it wasn’t always easy for new immigrants, it certainly wasn’t easy for those of African heritage who had not come here voluntarily and yet in their own way were immigrants themselves”–Barack Obama

    “..There were other immigrants that came here in the bottom of slave-ships, worked even longer even harder for less, but they too had a dream. That one day their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great-grandsons, great granddaughters, might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land..” –Ben Carson

    Barack Obama mentions that they had come here involuntarily, he did not initially connect them to other immigrants who actually chose to come rather than get hauled over. Obama later concludes that they were “In their own way” immigrants. He didn’t classify slavery and immigration as being on similar levels.

    Carson on the other hand was like, ohh they boarded slave ships and came here for happiness. Now you tell me, losers of the civil war, did those slaves come here to find happiness? Or were they caught like wild animals, whipped, raped, stripped of their dignity and humanity and forced into labor?

    comment below, this snowflake is ready to give you frostbite 😉

  15. dany manchster says:

    context motherfuckers. Obama said they came involuntarily. so they were different kind of immigrants. fuckin no brain republicans.

  16. aGUY says:

    One thing Obama mentioned that Carson did not was the fact that Africans came here involuntarily…. Even so, this entire subject has been blown way out of proportion. I’m more of a liberal, but I realize the message that Carson was trying to give was of good intention. People need to stop being overly politically correct and listen to the message rather then the cold words…

  17. Shrenk says:

    Idiots in comments justifying Obama while demonizing Carson. Who’d of guessed?

  18. Loi Huynh says:

    Looking at these comments, both liberals and conservatives have their share of dumbasses.

  19. sheridanbucket says:

    When slaves were freed, it’s not like they got on boats to go back! They became immigrants, same as all the indentured servants (slaves) brought over from Europe. They didn’t choose to come to America, but they did choose to stay in America, and call themselves Americans… and they didn’t hyphenate themselves, either!

  20. STP says:

    Today’s negros need to thank the descendants of slave owners. Without them, you would be scooping dirty disease infested water from ponds running from crocs and lions.

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