The School for Good and Evil doesn’t make any sense

The School for Good and Evil doesn’t make any sense

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  1. Alex Meyers says:

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  2. Isabel C says:

    Honestly they should have stretched it out into a tv series like how they did with shadow and bone. The school for good and evil is such a fascinating concept and I loved the books growing up, they really would make an incredible show. I mean really, one book per season, 5-6 hour long episodes and they would have a really successful show. And tbh I’m personally disappointed that they kinda washed out all of Agatha’s gothness completely and just made her into “not like other girls” tomboy type. I feel like they removed all of her personality in this movie.

    • akio abey says:

      @Aurelia Avalon omg yeahh… if they are gonna make a sequel or something… would they really make lady lesso like evelyn? That’s like messed up.. i hope they won’t do it. Oh and i was looking forward to the circus of talents… and that part where Agatha comes in with the blue dress. Also the trial by tale went a whole different way… i guess it was ok but still…
      Also i do wish they dyed Tedros’s hair but anyways ehem… it should have been a series, they cut out a lot of parts that even though it was 2 and a half hrs long… it still feels empty and rushed.
      The movie is better as just a movie , not as an adaptation!… well at least that’s how i feel… 🙁

    • akio abey says:

      @Caitlin Mah- Soeung yeahhhh ikrr… and in the movie she also came from Gaveldon… and that’s even more confusing…

    • Tulop says:

      Yeah that was what was relatable about her for me, how emo she was 😭

    • Caitlin Mah- Soeung says:

      @akio abey he literally restricted her from seeing her kid (aric) WTF WOULD SHE FREAKING LIKE HIM

    • tanush ghai says:

      @°Froggy•Bookworm° ohhhhhhhhhhh

  3. Deeksha Chaganur says:

    They never showed on the movie what made her truly evil, in the books she has been aiming for the school of good her whole life and there was that sense of betrayal when Agatha found out that she was Sophie’s ‘good deed’

    • Yıldız Yıldız says:

      if she wasnt written as “evil” but just bratty kid, the writing you said would be really cooler.

  4. taco_boi says:

    the scene with the wish fish and tedros killing the bird thingy (i forget the name LOL) was the best scene in the whole movie. the emotions ran high and it really made the plot pick up a bit and gave agatha more reasons to question the school (plus it was gorgeous so there’s that)

  5. Vivian Wilson says:

    It felt like they were just skipping around to bits that they wanted to include. Whereas, in the first book there is a LOT more detail that goes into the plot; making it a lot more interesting. They just kinda included a few of the several betrayals and plot twists. Plus, the completely changed the purpose of the trial by tale! In the books the trial by tale was a competition that the all students competed in with the top ever and never as captains of their respective teams. As well as, some events seem to occur way to randomly. There were many moments where I was thinking, “there was a logical explanation for that in the book, but in the movie they completely butchered and cut it out.”

  6. hazel says:

    In the books, Beatrix and the rest are only rude to Agatha because they think she’s evil but because Agatha is pretty in the movie, they seem like bullies.

    In the books they don’t go out of their way to make her miserable, they mostly ignore her and look down on her when she fails a class which has AGAIN been left out of the movie.

    Sophie isn’t as cruel in the movies as she was in the book, in the book she was using Agatha from the start and treated her father who was so kind to her terribly.

    Sophie is wayyy more evil in the books. She defies all good’s rules and lies to herself that she doesn’t, she also gets these things called Nemesis Dreams which truly prove she’s evil. At one point she kills a wolf for cutting a lock of her hair then she watches as her new friends, Hester(another VERY IMPORTANT ruined character) try to kill Agatha after she found the wolf’s body and Sophie says and I quote “Good never wants to hurt, Agatha. But sometimes love means punishing villains that stand in our way” but she almost gets killed as well but Agatha saves her still. She constantly abandons Agatha for Tedros and is jealous of Agatha as Agatha is continuously picked by an unassuming Tedros as ‘his true love’ in survival class which nevers had with evers which was cut out of the movie.

    Agatha on the other hand tries to tell everyone about how evil BOTH schools are because you turn into a slave to the other side when you fail but nobody believes her and instead it makes them think she’s more of a witch and is why Tedros started hating her in the books. Then she reveals it at the Circus of Talents. Not to mention the Trial by Tale was so much more than a Sophie Tedros thing, Agatha did nothing but help Sophie excel at school and with Tedros for the kiss and then risked it to save Tedros’ life while Sophie hid behind a bush and hid her eyes while Tedros was about to be killed proving that Agatha was good and made Tedros see she was good.

    Agatha also believed she wasn’t beautiful and was a witch but after the most beautiful scenes about both inner abd outer beauty Tedros proposes to her to attend the ball and not whatever half assed confession was done in the movie which was a huge plothole because if you think about it, Agatha and Tedros should have been failed in the movie as they both didn’t have dates to the ball yet they attended. In the book it was a huge thing with as Agatha heard from her friend Kiko(another ruined character) two boys would have rather gone together than with Agatha but the ball didn’t happen because Sophie trashed the Circus of talent and not with whatever bullcrap blood magic is but with her awesome power.

    Without Sader or his sister and Tedros and Agatha kissing at the end and Agatha CHOOSING Gavaldon over Tedros while in the book they had no choice and just vanished and the stupid arrow, I need you that how the actual heck did Tedros send that from the school, what will be the plot of the next movie if the second book is built off of Tedros’ hate for the girls and Agatha leaving him there’s also the amazing girl power but I think that part’s okay.

    Also Chaddick wasn’t established as a character as Tedros’ best friend and he’s an important character.

    It’s also not a nepotism school as completely skipped a lot of the characters have parents who were side characters in fairytales like Hort and Dot.

  7. Felix’s friend that gave him the egg says:

    Tbh, the book makes more sense than the movie, and it still doesn’t make that much sense. It was still fun to read as a child.

    • HE’S coming soon says:

      Dear friend believe in Jesus Christ. He’s coming soon

    • R F says:

      @chaotic_gabby as someone who grew up with this book series, a lot of the appeal stemmed from how wacky the series was. The author was adamant about sticking to adapting the original, un-Disneyfied fairytales, and so the books veer wildly between eccentric humour and dark, Grimm-style gore in a way that surprisingly really works. It’s not perfect – in fact the series has MANY flaws. Since book 1 was published in 2013 the themes are pretty dated; plot details are retconned every thirty seconds, if not just left unexplained; and for a series written by a gay man of colour the diversity is just…a little lacking at best, harmful at worst. But at their core the books are incredibly fun, and they place themselves above things like Descendants through not taking themselves too seriously.

    • ً says:

      @Lili Noir ooh okay

    • Aurelia Avalon says:

      @chaotic_gabby The books, especially book 1, was about loving yourself and not judging people by their appearances. THAT is a message i want to spread to other readers. Because fairytales had always been stereotypical, you don’t hear about a version of Cinderella looking like anything other than Cinderella.

      To set this up, the author made two girls represent Black and White Swans. Why do we label the White Swan as the Good one? So he made the books go with theme of ‘Appearances Are Deceiving’ and it really promoted critical reading.

      The POINT was that Sophie looks like a princess, speaks like a princess, acts like a princess, but she was really a witch.
      Agatha looks like a witch, speaks like a witch, acts like a witch, but she was really… a Good soul. And the author used other plotpoints to drive this message across. The story was never cringy, silly and cliche and the like. The author USED those cliched stereotypes in every fairytale ever so that they could deliver a story where you don’t know what else to expect.

      It’s not an underdog story. It’s not a ‘i’m not like other girls’ trope. It’s a ‘don’t judge a book by its cover’, or in this case, by its movie. The movie sucked balls and they didn’t even explain what a Nemesis was. They erased and MERGED important characters like Evelyn Sader and Professor August Sader. And unlike the book they made the kiss between Sophie and Aggie look romantic when they’re actually biologically related. Gosh, a shitshow of a netflix adaptation.

    • Jack Hallow says:

      I loved the art in the books honestly

  8. Rhona Mae Ferolino says:

    Fun fact: In the first book, there was a bit where Agatha denies that she’s a princess, to which faints a few seconds later after seeing blood on Tedros. He remarks, “Definitely a princess,” which meant that all princesses are like this.

    While sadly the rule doesnt seem to be kept in the movie (Trial by Tale where Agatha doesnt react to Sophie’s wounds), it does make it hilarious when the one character that does faint at the sight of blood, Gregor, is accidentally written as a trans princess with this rule in mind.

    • egg_earrings says:

      ohhhhh, that is so interesting and it makes sense! i completely forgot about that “defining” feature of the princesses but that would have been so nice!

  9. Esther Fichtenholz says:

    I’m rereading the first book right now, so the differences are fresh in my mind. I’m gonna write up a ginormous comparison of all the little things they changed that I think flattened the world the movie takes place in, pls enjoy and ty for ur time

    In the movie, the concept of the school is just something the bookseller mentions to Sophie and Agatha randomly like a day before they get kidnapped. In the books, the entire town knows that every four years, two of their children are taken and are never seen again, one odd and outcast and one kind and bright. As a result, this town literally fears uniqueness (providing a better reason for why Sophie is considered so weird, considering how outwardly she WANTS to be kidnapped)

    There’s a scene in the first book where Sophie is tasked with getting a goose to lay a golden egg. Geese only listen to evers, so Sophie’s like ok ez, no problem. The goose literally gives up its immortal powers. Sophie’s soul is so dark that this magic goose would rather “kill” itself than help her. The scene is meant to contrast Agatha’s wish-fish scene

    Speaking of the wish fish scene. In the movie it’s short and she just pulls a girl out and everyone’s like wooooah ur so crazy. And then the stymph gets killed and she punches tedros etc etc. In the book, turning the wish fish back into the girl is excruciatingly painful. She literally feels her soul slipping away, the force of it breaks her fingers, and then she gets stampeded by a horde of all the other animals on the school grounds because apparently in this fucked up universe, every animal is a student who wasn’t good enough. And then she escapes up to a tower, has a moment of intense connection with a gargoyle in which she realizes that these are *children*, and then just as she’s turning him back into a little boy Tedros kills him and calls her a witch for caring

    Speaking of the animals, in the movie you fail three times and you get turned into an object or an animal or whatever. In the books you don’t need to fail. You fill three times in a row and you get vanished, yes. But all you need to do to deserve getting your humanity taken away from you is to place somewhere around the middle. And this is considered an *honor*, to serve the students who are deserving of being princes and princesses. Including dying for them.

    There’s a scene in the book where Agatha manages to get to Sophie’s room ready to take her home, and Sophie tackles her, rips her uniform off, and tries to sneak across the bridge.

    The barrier between the two schools, which Agatha is able to sneak across, shows a reflection of her. The only way it allows her past is if she insults herself

    Sophie *kills* the Beast, which is the character that chops her hair off in the dungeons in the book. She literally shoves him into sewage, watches him drown, and then goes back to trying to convince the teachers she belongs at the School for Good. And this is like, very early in the book, when both she and Agatha still think there’s been a mistake

    In the books no one actually gets to see the School Master, he’s not like the principal or the dean or whatever they made him in the movie. He hides up in the tower with the storian and no one goes up there. There are no stairs to waltz right in, Agatha and Sophie have to ride a stymph up to the window and nearly die every single time they try it

    The battle between brothers isn’t a random fistfight in a courtyard, it’s a giant horrible war. And yes, at the end of it one of the brothers kills the other, but no one is actually sure who it is that won. There’s no deception needed from mr Evil himself, because all he has to do is Not Tell Anyone which one he is

    Everyone gets a familiar at some point, and most people are able to tame theirs, but Sophie’s (a little cupid) absolutely refuses to listen to her and tries to kill Agatha so many times that they have to trap it in a well

    There’s a cool detail about “nemesis dreams”, where Nevers have dreams about the person who’s their one true nemesis. Gives merit to Sophie hating Agatha’s guts by the time she’s fully embraced her Evil, also just an interesting bit of world building that isn’t mentioned in the movie at all for some reason

    Mr Ted Ross himself absolutely HATES his position as local sexy hot guy and wants women to leave him alone. He’s not interested in Beatrix even remotely. In the beginning of his character arc he basically goes after girls who have competition just to prove that he can win, which is why the only way Sophie is able to get his attention as the ball gets closer is to flaunt Hort around like a little puppy

    Sophie holds self-help sessions for Nevers to prove how awesome and Good she is, which I don’t think is a super important detail but is also hilarious and they totally should have kept it in

    The scenes in the blue forest are multiple classes in the books, with repeated scenes where Agatha and other girls are transformed to look identical and the boys are supposed to pick which one is evil and which one is good. Every single time, without fail, Tedros picks Agatha. Even though for about 75% of the first book, he absolutely despises her and is convinced that she’s evil. Why would they remove this I am angry

    OH I NEARLY FORGOT!! Sophie and Agatha don’t figure out the whole “true loves kiss” thing for WEEKS, it’s like a whole thing

  10. 6 Bell says:

    I love Agatha, she is.. actually acting like how a normal girl would act, cause I would like to get out of a strange world as soon as I could too😆 Also personally, best side characters to me are Hester and Hort.

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