Yes, Established Titles Is A Scam*

Yes, Established Titles Is A Scam*

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52 Responses

  1. LegalEagle says:

    βš– Ugh, the *UK* legal system, not the *English* legal system! I know that, d’oh!
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    • Voleboy says:

      It’s even more complicated than that! Scottish law is its own entity, separate from English law.

    • TZVI says:

      @Cloud-surfer69 another comment is that the Scottish legal system is slightly different to the one that applies to England and Wales

    • LegallyBlacked says:

      I find it hard to believe anyone thought they were actually a lord for 50 bucks.

    • MorgaineRiddlePrince says:

      Thank you. Mixing scottish and english is never a mistake u want to make where a Scot can hear u. Same with Welsh and rish… actually, england has been in war with soo many I believe they hold the record for foreign ups’ies.

    • Mister Nice says:

      I suspect that the Scotish legal system would be closer to the fact.

  2. justkphlegm says:

    The tonal whiplash of LegalEagle being all professional and using legal terms, and then referring to himself as β€œyour boy” is something lol

  3. Alistair says:

    I’m a Scottish Advocate and, apart from wincing when you referred to the English legal system in the context of Scots law (they’re very separate, very distinct and it’s almost certain to rile any Scots lawyer), this was a genuinely excellent video. The issue of souvenir plots comes around several times a year, and especially around Christmas. The companies themselves are generally much more careful in how they word things than those they get to sponsor them. The only way to officially become a Lord or a Lady is by Letters Patent from His Majesty The King (and even then, it’s more complex than that because of the various ranks of peerage that exist). Laird is still widely used in Scotland, but does only apply to those who own large and historic Scottish estates. My own personal view is that these companies taint whatever good work that they do with these gimmicks.

    • Ewan Rae says:

      @Ath Scots and English law student here, it’s ultimately a private international law issue. I think claims could be brought in American courts with jurisdiction to do so but they may apply Scots law (lex loci rei sitae) relating to the transfer of corporeal immoveable property (land) and the incorporeal hereditaments (titles) accruing from them.

    • paladro says:

      at least he didn’t call you Scotch ))

    • Kyle Thomas says:

      Assuming they’re doing any good with a portion of their proceeds, can’t say being misleading about the lordship makes them sound dedicated to conservation efforts.

    • Ath says:

      Pretty sure since so many customers are Americans any lawsuits would be done under American law, and ET itself was from what I can tell established in hong kong so who knows how that will go, but Scottish law may not even be involved other than who’s legally a laird

  4. Corvus Dove says:

    As a friend who runs an occult shop once told me, “Whenever you hear about something ‘ancient’ or ‘forgotten’ in advertising, it’s crap. People like me have been using it to sell glass spheres and cheap pewter necklaces for centuries as crystal balls and talismans to tourists and rebellious teenagers. We keep the real stuff in the back.”

    • Malpractice118 says:

      Sometimes people just want that stuff as a conversation starter. They know it’s not real but they can tell the story that the shop keep told them and get a few laughs out of their friends. Everyone so uptight that know one can just take a joke anymore or thinks everything has to be a scam. Sometimes those people just wanted a really cool looking “crystal ball”

    • LegallyBlacked says:

      Scam shop

    • Sten Roslund says:

      No they dont they dont have any real stuff =P

    • Will H says:

      I love ads like that regarding so called superfoods or supplements. “Used by an arbitrary or obscure group of people you may have never heard of thousands of years ago to treat a health condition that, even if they knew or understood it, we couldn’t know because we have no evidence of a passed down written tradition to even try and translate.”

    • Peter Villa says:

      @Mark Basile Jr hard disagree, but ok.

  5. ultimateninjaboi says:

    Glad to see you addressing the whole “people who fell for this are idiots and the problem,” mindset. Its so frustrating to see it come up every time a major scam is discussed. Cuz it basically shifts blame away from the actual bad actors, in favor of victim-blaming. And usually for the sake of inflating the persons own ego.

    • cleftintwain says:

      You and this comment are everything wrong with the world today. It’s called personal responsibility. Google it. People who fell for this are stupid. The people running the scam are shady. Both things can be true.

    • pyropulse says:

      @Honey Reyes You have people defending this scam by saying “it was a gag gift bro.” That is stupid. If you buy a ‘gag gift,’ that actually makes you an id**t. If you didn’t know it was a ‘gag gift,’ you got scammed and are not at fault.

    • pyropulse says:

      @Heathen Caerus No one buys gag gifts; it is just people embarrassed they got scammed and don’t want to admit it. If I sold you a pdf file that said you own a plot on the Moon, and I declared it in my registry, you’d be an id**t to buy it. But if a company does it, suddenly, it is a ‘gag gift,’ and wasting your money and making someone rich over nothing is suddenly “totally not being scammed.’

    • pyropulse says:

      The only id**ts are the people that knew it was a ‘gag gift’ and still bought it. They went “Yeah, I’ll spend $50 on a pdf file that is literally worthless. Totally worth it!”

    • Honey Reyes says:

      Not much to add but support for this comment. The internet gets so high and mighty about spotting scams and it’s victim blaming, sadly diverting where the true focus/disgust/judgement should be from the scammers to the consumers. It’s messed up.

  6. Nen says:

    Legal Eagle transforming into CoffeeZilla is legitimately terrifying. A great legal mind and a penchant for masochistic research, truly a formidable man

  7. Insane Troll says:

    The legal loophole is that you can title yourself practically anything you want. Whether anyone else is going to agree to call you that is another question entirely.

  8. MysterySteve says:

    I kinda like how honestly calling out the Established Titles scam has become its own little YouTube genre

  9. WideRide83 says:

    I’ve always rolled my eyes at this one same as the “name a star” ads that used to be on daytime tv. And it’s crazy how damn near every youtuber I follow has accepted sponsorships from this company, and nearly every one has backed down from it, trying to get refunds for their viewers, trying to get out of their contracts, or pledging to donate the proceeds to charity.

    • Honey Reyes says:

      Yeah many of the YouTubers I follow also pitched this company in their ads and I did do a side eye – admittedly not bothering to do any research on my own but wondering if they did.
      Now that legal YouTubers are commenting on it and validating that it’s bs, I totally cringe at the idea that my fave channels just took the money and ran. Just the basic claims would at least make me want to do a quick Google at minimum before entering into promoting them.

    • pyropulse says:

      @TaddiestMason They got fooled because they were offered literally $40k for a single video ad

    • pyropulse says:

      @Admiral Squatbar it was 5 or 6 figure sums

    • veryberry39 says:

      That guy who adopted a lobster from the grocery store, a year ago, began shilling for this company and I was so disgusted. I wondered why his latest video was lacking the sponsorship, but I’m gonna guess it’s because of this controversy. πŸ˜›

    • CelynBrum says:

      @TaddiestMason One of the youtubers I watch (the Click) actually did in his apology video explain how he got taken in. It sounds like it looked like a legit sponsor, even when doing normal due diligence. For people who aren’t lawyers or aren’t from the UK, the red flags are less obvious.

      That said, I’d always consider with any commentator what their actual expertise is before trusting their take on a topic – any idiot can make a Youtube channel, after all!

  10. Fif0l says:

    “We didn’t lie to you. We just intentionally put a false idea into your head without words”
    “That sounds like lying with extra steps”

    • francisco guinle de barros says:

      Legally sensitive lying

    • Jay Schafer says:

      A lie is often defined as an “attempt to deceive”. On that basis, you can “attempt to deceive” someone by implying certain things, without outright saying them.

    • R. L. Dodson says:

      There’s a saying (I think I came across it in a book by Isaac Asimov) that you want your lies to be as close to the truth as you can and the truth, when it can be used as a lie, is the best lie of all.

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